9/11 Fifteen Years Down the Road Potted with Government Lies

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Today being the fifteenth anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, it seems a good time to reflect on the lie that is the “official story.”

Up first, an excerpt from a piece by Paul Craig Roberts. Following Dr. Roberts analysis of where we are is an excerpt from the Saker on the progress that the 9/11 Truth Movement has made.

Excerpt from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts at UNZ.com

There are many conspiracy theories about 9/11. The US government’s own expanation of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory in which a few Saudi Arabians outwitted the American national security state. Little doubt that many of the more imaginative conspiracy theories were created for the purpose of stigmatizing any skepticism, no matter how well reasoned and supported, of the official story.

When thinking about 9/11, it is important to differentiate expert opinion from improbable explanations.

Among the expert opinion are 2,600 structural engineers and high-rise architects who comprise Architects & Engineers for 9/11 truth and have written to Congress asking for a real investigation, Firefighters for 9/11 truth, Pilots for 9/11 truth, physicists and chemists who analyzed the dust from the twin towers and report finding reacted and unreacted materials used in controlled demolitions, and former government officials who understand that a security failure as great as 9/11 would have produced an immediate and exacting investigation.

These groups of qualified and experienced people say that the official story of 9/11 is false. Architects, engineers, and scientists say that the official story is physically impossible. Firefighters and WTC maintenance personnel say that there were numerous explosions within the towers and that the first explosions were in the sub-basements prior to the buildings being hit by airplanes. Experienced military and civilian pilots say the maneuvers of the aircraft are beyond the capability of the alleged hijackers. Both co-chairman of the 9/11 Commission and the legal counsel have written books in which they have said that information was withheld from the Commission, that the US government lied to the Commission, and that the Commission was set up to fail

In other words, the hard evidence simply does not support the official story.

We know that the official story is false. We don’t know who is responsible or the purpose the event was intended to serve. However, circumstantial evidence strongly supports suspicion of the neoconservatives whose high positions in the government would have enabled them to succeed with a false flag attack and to delay and divert any investigation until the official story was set in stone. We also know from the “dancing Israelis” that elements in the Israeli government had advance notice of the attack as Israeli agents were set up ready to film the destruction of the twin towers.

The attacks had to have been planned during the Clinton administration, which means that Hillary Clinton was in on the mass murder of 3,000 Americans. I wonder how many of the families will be voting for her.

Neoconservative position papers written in the 1990s called for “a new Pearl Harbor” in order to launch Washington’s wars for hegemony, first in the Middle East. These position papers signaled out Iraq, Syria, Iran, and Libya for attack prior to the event of 9/11. None of these countries had anything whatsoever to do with the official story of 9/11 that blames Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda, a jihadist group set up by Washington in the 1970s to resist the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan.

None of these countries had jihadist governments. Iran has a muted form of Islamic law, but Saddam Hussein in Iraq and Assad in Syria headed secular governments. Yet, neoconservatives falsely claimed that Saddam Hussein had “al-Qaeda connections.” This lie and the lie that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction that threatened the US were used to invade Iraq under the 9/11 banner. Then the rationale for the invasions changed. 9/11 dropped away, and the “war on terror” and “bringing democracy” took its place.

And there’s this complementary analysis by the Saker at UNZ.com

Note: the purpose of this article is not to debunk the official conspiracy theory about how 2 aircraft brought down 3 buildings and other such nonsense, or to present an alternative theory, but to evaluate how much the 9/11 Truth movement has achieved in the past 15 years.

It has been 15 years since the terrible events of 9/11 and it is now a good time to look back at what the 9/11 movement did achieve, but also at where it failed. The biggest and most obvious failure was, of course, the failure to prevent the bloodbath the Empire calls the “GWOT” (Global War on Terror) and all the other wars which the GWOT, in turn, generated in Northern Africa, the Middle-East and elsewhere. Yes, at that we did fail, but I am not quite sure that the blame for it can be put on the 9/11 Truth movement. Let me explain.

The intelligence process is sometimes described by the “three As”: acquisition, analysis and acceptance. If we compare the 9/11 Truth movement with an intelligence agency working on behalf of the people of our planet, then I would argue that we brilliantly succeeded in the first “A”: acquisition.

Acquisition:

We now have made public many Gigabytes of video, audio, texts, radar, seismic and other materials recorded on 9/11 – more than enough to establish at the very least a “probable cause” to demand a new, independent and legally empowered investigation of the events of 9/11. From the dust of the WTC buildings in DC to the exact radar track of AA77, UA175 and AA11 – the 9/11 Truth movement has collected an enormous amount of forensic data which is now publicly available for analysis.

Analysis:

On the analysis aspect, after a rather long series of false starts, due mainly to the enthusiastic efforts of well-intentioned but technically incompetent volunteer researchers, the 9/11 Truth movement eventually began to recruit an impressive array of scientists, engineers, architects, pilots, military officials, etc. And the result of their work has been nothing short of formidable. At lot of that (peer-reviewed) analysis is now available on the website of the Journal of 9/11 Studies (http://www.journalof911studies.com/) and has even resulted in an impressive “consensus findings list” (http://www.consensus911.org/the-911-consensus-points/) which is also publicly available. A good example of this kind of rigorous scientific analysis can be found in the paper “Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe” published by the The Open Chemical Physics Journal in 2009:

If much of the acquisition was initially done by amateurs, and if some, but not all of the analysis, was also done by amateurs (including brilliant ones, like physics teacher David Chandler who single-handedly forced NIST to admit to free-fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds – see below), most of the analysis by now has been done by top level academics and scientists who have had such a devastating effect on the official conspiracy theory (that is what the official narrative about 9/11 should be called, a “conspiracy theory” since it centers on an al-Qaeda conspiracy to attack the USA) that the US government has basically had to give-up on defending it (more about that further below).

Acceptance:

Most intelligence analysts would agree that acceptance, be it by a government or by a deliberately misinformed public, is often the most difficult one of the three “A’s” of the intelligence process. This is, alas, where the 9/11 Truth movement has mostly failed. And yet, even the hyper-official and super-politically correct Wikipedia has to admit, most people do simply not believe that al-Qaeda did it. The problem is that this general disbelief has had no result whatsoever on the US political landscape. In a way, this makes sense: 9/11 happened in the beginning of a Republican Administration which, in turn, means that it was planned under a Democratic Administration. Not that I believe that there is much of a difference between the Demoblicans and the Republicrats (Pepsi vs Cola, really), but this simply illustrates two basic facts of the US political system:

1) The US “deep state” is not affected by changes in the White House

2) The US “deep state” is equally embedded in both factions of the “1% Party” in power

In a way, the USA is very similar to the bad old Soviet Union: it is ruled by a Nomenklatura, an “Inner Party” to use Orwell’s expression, which keeps the rest of the 99% in a condition that I would describe as semi-serfdom (“semi” because the modern serf can legally leave his place of labor and move to another one). And while the real “deep state” is only a small sub-section of the US Nomenklatura, the entire Nomenklatura is bound to it by a deep sense of class solidarity. This is what primarily explains the collective blindness of quite literally all the US elites about 9/11: just like everybody now knows that Kennedy was not killed by a lone gunman, most people by now suspect that the official 9/11 conspiracy theory is a stupid load of hogwash – but they just don’t see what difference it makes for them and the world they live in. Combine a silent majority and a ruling elite acting in lockstep to deny the obvious, and you have today’s apparent defeat of the 9/11 Truth movement.

The American people will be glued to their big screen TVs today, watching the opening kickoff of the NFL season. Boos will be heard as blacks kneel during the National Anthem, but that’s about all that will happen.

What should be happening is what Pat Buchanan called the pitchfork brigades. We the people should be storming Washington by the millions, pitchforks and torches in hand. The scalawags should be driven from office–all of them.

Oh, but wait. Did *************** just throw a touchdown pass?

Never mind, Washington. I have to get back to the game.

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68 thoughts on “9/11 Fifteen Years Down the Road Potted with Government Lies

  1. Excellent article; 9/11 was the watershed false flag event that changed the face of America forever. Opening the way for the pre-planned Patriot Act and the War on Terror, it keeps the public mired in fear and confusion as one boogey man after another is presented, killed and paraded on view as their countries are destroyed. The very fact that Bin Laden’s “body” was never presented as proof should make everyone stand up and take notice. But few do and that is our downfall. As for the pitchfork brigade:

    “if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts,” by George H.W. Bush

    Everyone needs to read Brzenzinski’s The Grand Chessboard. This was all laid out in 1998 and no one paid attention:

    http://www.takeoverworld.info/grandchessboard.html

  2. Read all the above, very good.
    “Experienced military and civilian pilots say the maneuvers of the aircraft are beyond the capability of the alleged hijackers.”
    According to expert commercial pilots, no pilot on the world could have flown either of these two planes in to the twin towers. At the speed they were flying, the planes would have broken up in mid air. Only military aircraft can fly so fast at such a low altitude, where the air pressure is huge.

    What about the Pentagon missile strike? If it had actually been a commercial plane coming in for a “landing” inside the Pentagon, hundreds of eyewitness would have seen this including a very large number of shocked motorists.
    Whereas a fast moving small missile would be hard to see, maybe painted light blue.

    • There’s a good piece on 9/11 lies at zerohedge,although it blames the Saudis. The commenters jump on the Jews.

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-10/great-911-coverup

      I was going to put this one up on the blog, but I have to sleep sometime, so it didn’t make it.

      I just saw that zerohedge has another one:

      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-11/how-i-remember-september-112001

      I haven’t read the second one yet. I’m in the middle of researching Hillary’s medical problems for now.

      • Official story. Saudis atack USA. So USA attacks Iraq.
        That would be like England declaring war on Sweden when Hitler invaded Poland in 1939.
        The fact that Bush could invade Iraq for no reason and with no opposition shows that Israel controls the USA.
        Why would the Saudi want to destroy a fellow Arab Muslim State dominated by Wahhabi’s like them? Now the Iranian Shiites control Iraq. This is hardly a victory to Saudi Arabia. All Arab States look like tot of failures and easy beats, like the French and Italians of WWII..
        Regional instability is a threat to all non nuclear States like the Saudis. Only Israel can blow the shit out of every nearby country, including all of Europe, if any country invades Israel.
        So to me the Arab cause has been hugely damaged since 2001 and not one Arab country has gained because of this. They all look to be on the edge of breakdown and destruction and overpopulation. Maybe as intended so they can take their dangerous religion to Europe and other white countries.

  3. The main mistake they made was the controlled demolition, especially of Building 7. That set us off on the trail. You’d be surprised how much silence money can buy. If you can find a video of a participant in this who confesses the truth, post it and we’ll pass it around.

    • Yeah, this is kinda what “red-pilled” me so to speak. I was searching about this because i thought it was all a conspiracy and not real, but it actually turned out to be true. And then one thing led to another and i searched the truth about holocaust, banks, world wars, jews etc. Especially with multiple firms in the twin towers that had jews in them leaving just before the day the planes crashed into them.

      Hmm maybe 9/11 would be a pretty good example to red-pill people.

      • Since I’m older than you and an American, my first taste of government lies involved the JFK assassination, the Vietnam war, and the lie of egalitarianism pushed by integrationists.

      • Well for someone who isn’t an american it was pretty hard to read anything about those events other than what the media says. But with the power of the internet haha i searched about the twin towers first, because well for me it was the most recent and easily available information. I searched about the others as well in time, even though i can’t say i remember all the details.

        Maybe it would be nice to make an article about all the information that you know about it paladin 🙂

  4. Not one steel framed building has ever collapsed due to fire. On 911 three such building all fell in to their own footprint due to fire. Building 7 had almost no fire inside at all. Building 7 is the overwhelming proof that this was a controlled demolition.
    Dies anybody here have a kerosene heater? it will not burn the thin steel where the flame touches. Jet planes burn kerosene as fuel. The fire was quite cool and cannot melt steel especially very thick steel as at the Twin Towers. All the energy of the fuel on board burnt in one or two seconds and a lot of it outside the building, the visible fireball on the other side to impact.
    Have a look at your kitchen (or LPG) gas cooker and the blue flame. This does not melt the thin steel, which the flame touches constantly, which holds pots for cooking. This blue gas flame is much hotter than the fire inside the building on 911. Look at the 911 footage and you can see the yellow/red color of a cool fire. Just like burring wood which will not melt steel in say 15 minutes. Fire grates are made of steel. Fireboxes on steam engines are made of steel which does not melt, but they do wear out after ten years or so of constant burning by fire, with a cooling cycle usually every day.
    That is why NY firefighters died to the number of almost 400. They never would have been sent inside if there was any chance of these buildings falling down. Especially in minutes.
    Look it up, there is a lot of stuff about this. All the NY firefighters were murdered and not by Arabs in planes with box-cutters.
    The Towers were designed to withstand the impact of a fully loaded 747. Plus the buildings were obsolete, full of asbestos and heavily insured just before the attack by the leaseholder who had paid only peanuts compared to the insurance payout he hit the jackpot at about 40 to 1, the bookie tok a bath (Warren Buffet the “smart” investor who is heavily pro Israel). , amazing, but normal, that Arab terrorists would help a wealthy NY Jew. Motive, means and opportunity. Arabs can destroy tall buildings but cannot find out who owns and leases them – both Jews. Arabs cannot find out that they will make the Jews rich. Must be illiterate because all of this was in the newspapers and financial pages before 911.

    The (((media))) was on the same side as (((those))) who did the demolitions, and Bush/Cheney were on the same side too. Saddam had nothing to do with it. Saddam was against terrorism. The US elected Government on 911 was for terrorism and it still is.

      • To bring it down in one massive explosion? Not long really. Few minutes depending on delivery method. X number of tractor trailers full of 40k+ pounds of demo can be parked in a loading doc/ garage, unpinned and driven of in a hurry.

        C4 etc in real life does not work like the movies. A one pound block of c4 doesn’t destroy half a city block or even half town home. Placement is critical to ensure the shock wave “cuts” the corret support beams etc. You cant just put a little c4 next to the wall and its all good. You need a shit ton of it and proper placement to take down buildings of that size; the worse the placement the more demo needed. And in a building not prepped for demo, full of people working etc it’s doubtful placement would be ideal

        If the demo is carried in by 5 men with large ruck sacks, rolling suit cases etc of 100 pound loads… more man hours then I am going to do the math on. Would be months and years. How many trips can they make into the building per day without really standing out after the invent? Can’t expose yourself but so much to the follow investigation. And 3-4 trips a day with a ruck sack etc into an office building will make you standout.

        Demo carried into the building by men in suits and briefcases, or men in overalls and carrying tool boxes….. even longer.

        To have it crumble like it did? While having to pose as… I don’t know an HVAC guy or some such, while only being able to summgle in, and wire up a few pounds of c4 at a time…. boggles the mind.

        Then would come the technical expertise to drop them in a controlled manner. To plant the demo, fuse it, crimp it etc isn’t difficult. To establish where to plant the demo, when to detonate which charge, set up the control board etc…. probably not very many men out there with that skill set. The best commercial guys are well known world wide.

        The controlled det is outside my skill set, but seem to recall, in ideal commercial use circumstances, locations perp’ed, everything pre rigged, no need to be subtle etc not long at all.

        To do it covertly would require a huge source of man power or years and just a couple of dudes. If it took a small team years… more points of failure then you’d want to read about. Crimps don’t last forever, wires/ fuse getting cut or falling out/ losing conection, termination points corroding…. to do it quickly with a large source of man power would require the death of most of if not all the task force to keep them from blabbering.

      • Well they said they had asbestos problems, so i think it would be quite easy to assemble a team that would be there to fix those problems on the outside but instead to plant C4. And if they had full access and did it mostly at night, i doubt it would rise suspicion. Plus, they can make the excuse that it’s dangerous for people to go near it so no one will check on what they actually do.

        And dunno, you say that it would require the death of most of not all the task-force, but the holocaust where a lot more people than just 100 know the truth were silenced, or the several false flag incidents that USA created and are still kept secret to this day leads me to believe that silencing people is not that difficult.Like in the vietnam war for example or others. http://911review.com/articles/anon/false_flag_perations.html

        Not saying that your assessment isn’t correct in that you’d need a lot of manpower to pull it off. But considering that so many things happened before, with a lot of people present and the govt still managed to cover it up, i doubt it would be hard to do the same thing here.

      • Legit point about the asbestos work. It would be a good way to get men in, same with the equipment. Not sure how’d you’d keep the demo charges, fusing and what not hidden from men on other maintenance crews. Electricians, HVAC guys, the crews sent in to inspect the asbestos crews… the asbestos would keep the suits out but not everyone. There would likely be miles of det cord alone, and while I doubt you’d have to wire every floor, you’d probably have to wire most of them.

        You’d have to kill them. Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead. Folks get to feeling bad about what they did and blab. They get drunk and boastful, they tell the chicks they are banging…. I mean it’s insane how much intell guys drop. One of the best ways to spy is being in the same bar as your target, nursing your dtink, buying a few rounds, friendly chit chat and a lot of eavesdropping. Old as time that one is

        Killing a 100 or so guys with the background to do the basic work would be difficult to cover up. Not to mention the asbestos removal company. Again, not the movies, so there will be bodies, missing persons reports, families bitching, cops investigating etc. Farming the demo work out to different nationalities would help, but that would add to the logistics footprint, which equals more points of fallure, more people to kill, more reports, more families, more cops… then there aren’t very many people with the skill set to figure out where to place the charges. That guy dying would be noticed.

        The smallest unit you can think of is a sniper team, 2 dudes, fairly basic equipment and what not but there is still a deep logistical foot print. Things only expand from there

        100 dudes will have bank accounts to collect their cash, pay their bills, someone paying their living expenses, accommodations, transportation to and from work, language barriers to over come, grocery stores they shopped in, pizza delivery guys they dealt with, bar tabs, they need to communicate to some degree, so an email trail, cellphone records, fake ID’s, work radios, work trucks, false ( or real) permits, passports …. the asbestos work would still need to be accomplished to some degree ( unless that sort of demo work can be accomplished much quicker on 3 buildings then I think)

        Get my drift on how many tracks that would need to be covered up?

        Not sure the Holocaust example applies, as much fewer people would be required to fake the paper work.

        Look I dont have any answers. I am certain more went down then we know, but the controlled det thing isn’t very realistic based on my professional experience which includes fairly extensive demolitions training, lots of time running missions in the military and as a contractor and more then a little understanding of comerical demo work.

        Also, we assume the towers built to code and could hold up to the impact of the planes, shock wave of the towers collapsing but jew york is so corrupt there is no reason to think so. Lots of money to be made via code violations. Most of the oh shit events I have been caught up in/ investigated have been a chain of failures. You know, the dort of things you see fair amount of the time when commercial airplanes crash. This was cracked, that wasn’t repaired correctly, wrong part installed and then major shit storm. I suspect there were a whole lot of small to meduim size problems and what not with the buildings, or several something else’s of a sinister sort going on vs what amounts to the world’s largest covert opeation/ controlled det.

      • You say that jew york is very corrupt and that there is a lot of money to be made via code violations… And yet you don’t think a team could work on asbestos while planting explosives and not get checked up on?

        And if you don’t work in the spy industry then i doubt you know exactly how trained professionals keep their secrets or not. Yeah maybe a shitty assassin from mexico or cuba would brag about it to someone who buys him a drink or a girl he’s banging, but i highly doubt someone trained for these kinds of things would do it.

        I also don’t think there’s a lot of things to cover up. I appreciate your input from your demolitions background, i didn’t think it was easy to do either, but if there are guys who are signed up as a legit team working with those problems, then if the twin towers collapse any evidence of tampering is gone so no one can accuse them of anything anyway. And fake id’s are easy to make or to get past security, considering that probably the people who owned the twin towers and security were involved. And all the evidence of it was gone with the twin towers.

        You said that you’d need miles of chords for it to work and that it would be obvious. But can’t it also be done with something radio controlled or wireless? In which case it wouldn’t be so obvious at all.

        And perhaps they didn’t even need all of the building to be rigged with explosives, perhaps just some parts below the airplanes so that the top of the building would collapse on the rest, with the aircraft making an even bigger gap or something to accelerate the process.

        One thing that you didn’t mention was that probably if there were a lot of explosives used, there would also be a lot of remnant material there as well. From the chords, detonators and whatever else is used. And none of that was found.

        But then this happened http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/groundzero/cleanup.html

        They removed almost all the steel and evidence from the twin towers very fast. Wouldn’t be surprising if any of that proved if there were explosives planted or not as you say.

        I’m not saying that your demolitions background isn’t pretty extensive, but i think you are a wrong to think that there couldn’t have been any under-cover operations to plant the explosives. Obviously it’s just my opinion, but i don’t think either of us have been in under-cover or spying ops to say how things work there.

        And ok, let’s say there weren’t any explosives planted. Then how do you think the twin towers collapsed so perfectly, like a planned demolition from a plane crashing into them and didn’t fall to the side? or at least, only the top side falling, while the rest standing, more or less, which is what imo would have happened. And then, how did building 7 also collapsed?

        Since you say you have experience in demolitions, then do you really think that the buildings would have imploded like that? Or what other explanation do you have for it then?

  5. A TV newsclip which was shown once, live, then disappeared forever, never to be seen again, will stay with me forever ….. “Oh no! Jesus fucking Christ! No! No! No!” from a tough old New York cop who sank weeping to his knees as he watched the first people start jumping from the towers.

  6. Lol genius? That the best retort you have to a simple logistics thought experiment ? Staggers the mind with that sort of brain power you haven’t unraveled all the mysteries of the universe

    Don’t know much at all about wtc 7 nor have I claimed to.

    The possibility that the bigger towers were covertly wired for demo is beyond ridiculous. Practical experience with demolitions would lead you to the same conclusion.

    Which doesn’t mean we know the truth or the 911 commission report is accurate. I doubt that is. Heck the government rarely gets mundane information correctly; battlefield intelligence/ reports are normally a mess, plus eye witness are sketchy as hell, but the practical reality of covert operations and demolition work makes the buildings being rigged in advance extremely unlikely. Not to mention the more complex the mission, the more points of failure and then more likely the mission will fail

    Bottom line is there are more feasible methods then a controlled det type of thing.

      • You explain how the small list of technical and logistical impossibillties were overcome while maintaining operational security

        Because I know certain cause is closer to impossible then impractical doesn’t mean I have to have an alternate solution, but given what it would take to pull off a control det situation, almost any other cause is likely to be more accurate.

        And engineers, architects are wrong all the time. The Titanic was unsinkable and all that jazz

      • Your arrogant reply shows me that you have no answer for my question and you did not bother to watch the video and refute it. You set up straw men which is easier to knock down then tackling the facts presented. You STILL refuse to answer my above question because you CAN’T.

        I’ve already given you the information regarding secrecy and security in setting up 9/11. You admitted you barely glanced at it because you think you know better. Apparently you don’t know shit.

      • Awww you lost your wittle temper…. Can’t stand an honest appraisal of the controlled det scenario?

        Your sources aren’t new to me.

        This comes down to real world experiences vs people’s flights of fancy, with me admitting to a somewhat limited familiarity with commercial demolitions.

        For the control det scenario to work, it has to overcome some serious and enormously difficult technical, tactical and logistical problems, all while remaining completely secert. While I reckon very little in this world is impossible, the controlled det scenario is about as close to impossible as to make no never mind, even as I understand you only have to rig the bottom 30-40% of the building to drop it. Certain you’d have to rig more to get it to implode. You are basically weakening the structure, then dropping floors on to it to add weight and momentum, then clearing a path for the debris to fall, so the building pulls itself down and into itself

        For me to by into it, I would have to see a couple of estimates in manpower, demo required and a timeline to drop the towers in a professional/ commercial situation; an adjustment for the building not being prepped then a decent explanation for how the work can be accomplished covertly, (Which is the most difficult part) all written by a professional in the various trades.

        Losing your temper, engaging in childish behavior like name calling, while potentially emotionally satisfying, is insufficient response to being challenged

      • SFC Ton. You are a troll. A lot of stuff you typed was nonsense and intentionally so as to confuse and distract others from the truth.

        You claim to be an expert on demolitions. Yet you do not see the thermite squibs exploding outside the building as each tower falls, some detonate too early. You avoid Building 7 which fell controlled demolition style for no reason. Larry Shekelstein said on air to the media “We pulled it”. As an “expert” you would know what that means? Maybe you are even one of the killers, who you say would all to be executed, like those slaves building secret tunnels in an Egyptian pyramid in the olden days. Bullshit! Cheney and Bush knew all about it in advance and nobody executed even an idiot like Bush. His face gives the game away while he is reading a book to the Coon kiddies during the attack. He looks as guilty as hell.
        The 911 offical report was a farce.
        Jews did the crime and a Jew was appointed to head the Commission. Bush and Cheney refused to appear separately and both refused to give evidence under oath.
        Jew companies were in charge of security at the twin towers and had done a lot of work near and in the elevator shafts for weeks before the collapse. Often while the entire building was empty.
        Jews did the crime, Saddam was executed for it.
        Osama bin Laden had nothing to do with 911 it and he was never even officially indited for the crime.

        Re executing terrorists. Israel honours terrorists, such as many Prime Ministers, and those in in Lavon affair trying to start a war between Egypt and the USA by bombing USA servicemen in Egypt. They also openly honor and give awards to those pilots who bombed and strafed the USS Liberty. Israel does not execute those who carry out crimes on behalf of the state and you know it. Israel did dismiss an air force pilot who refused to kill unarmed Americans. They also jailed for 19 years or so a guy who told the truth about Israels illegal and massive nuclear weapons arsenal.

        Maybe in 2101 Israel will openly name and honor those heroes and patriots who did 911. They should also erect memorials to Hitler and Stalin long before then.

  7. SFC Ton —

    Here is your first comment on this thread: “…The logistical trail required to pull off 9/11 as some sort of inside job/ demolitions project would be insanely difficult to cover up…..

    Right off the bat you identify yourself as someone who is endorsing the official narrative. Perhaps you are not. But the ‘point’ is that you have already placed yourself in a position of opposition; as NOT ONE regular on this Blog believes in the official narrative.

    So what is your motive?

    Are you just another “Judy Wood”? Whose sole purpose is to distract from the Jew focusing endlessly on the HOW and ignored the WHO? Is this your purpose?

    It doesn’t matter the HOW. Tower 7 proves 3 planes didn’t bring the towers down. This is why I asked you about 7.

    So what say you? Did 2 planes bring down 3 towers? Genius.

    Are all the Jews involved just coincidences to you?

    • Like I have ever defended jews

      I talk like a veteran who’s military experince happens to conicide with the topic. Nor do I belive the official narrative. Ever, but I have logical and rational questions about the controlled det scenario. Questions that would best serve you if you want people to take the matter seriously

      And I have already said I have no idea about the 3rd tower, though collapsing due to the shock waves from the other two collapsing is all I can think of. Don’t know enough about that sort of thing to speak on and typically I don’t speak on subject I am not familiar with

      • How does one quantify fire has never dropped a steel structure? Where is the research to back up the claim? I watched foogas melt an old Soviet tank so the claim is suspect

        1,700 engineers and what not out of how many engineers etc out there signed the petition? Not a particularly large number given the total number of engineers. Nor do we know what sort of engineers. A software engineer knows what about the topic? Reminds me of that global warming petition with all the scientist signing, only to find out most of the scientist were social scientist.

        Ask any cop or what have you, eye witness are unreliable. 7 people swear to 7 different things regarding the same event.

        Clearly something ain’t right but that’s a long ways from a controlled det, which point of fact, is the only thing I am arguing against

      • Yeah i got that the controlled detonation is what you argue against.

        But there are more things there than what you said (i don’t believe it all either).

        You said you don’t know what building 3 was and that it collapsed probably because of the shock, or the fire.

        But there are images there of the building imploding basically. Not to mention the debris that is showed. And if it were melted, then well it would look melted. Does this look melted to you? http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7-2.jpg

        And Other buildings around it weren’t fell down by the shockwave. and if it was the shockwave, then it would have been more side-ways, instead of straight down http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7_collapse.jpg

        I didn’t link that just for the engineers bit. I agree that 1700 isn’t that big of a number, but it says architects and engineers.

      • Again to many variables
        I am not any sort of engineer, the other buildings, if I recall correctly, we’re shorter then #7, which could be a factor. #7 could have been especially at risk due to poor design or building code violations or material defects or who knows what else, but like I said given what I know about demolitions and planning/exciting missions those sort of things make more senes to me then a perfectly executed covert controlled det. Though, like I already said, such a thing only on building 7 is much more feasible on #7, then on all 3 or even the larger towers

      • SFC Ton —

        Would you like to revise your initial statement?

        “…The logistical trail required to pull off 9/11 as some sort of inside job/ demolitions project would be insanely difficult to cover up.

        Your statement ‘implies’ that 911 was NOT an “inside job”. In other words…………2 planes took down 3 towers.

        Was 911 an inside job?

        Who should we hold responsible?

      • I am not sure if 9/11 was a 100%inside job or not. Either way wouldn’t surprise me

        I know the government lies and is not to be trusted on any topic, so I don’t put the government past trying to kill 50k of its own people. This government killed way more Southern Whites over tax money

        I know the cover up etc could be at a very high level of government or somewhere in the middle. Though middle seems more likely

        I know jews are not to be trusted at any level and love killing White Christians like they did in the ussr.

        I know hajjis would love to kill 50k plus non hajjis of any sorts, especially Westerners

        I know the logistical side of things makes all three towers dropping via controlled det near on impossible. Cut that down to tower 7 and only it’s still pretty damn far fetched.

        I know the controlled det arugement is weak sauce when you understand the scope of the operational and could easily be about controlled opposition to cover up what actually went down. Which is where I tend to land on this topic most days. That or tower 7 was ready to go for who knows whwt purpose as and then it became a rush job when the planed hit the othet two towers.

        To many possibilities with to little hard data to nail anything down. Could very well been 20 some odd hajjis and their logistical support from…. only God knows where and who, including it could be jews. Or other hajjis, or some small group in the usa. Government or industrial. Two are hard to separate these days

        To a certain degree I don’t have a dog in the fight, other then trying to educate some folks on what it would take to pull of a mission like that. Whatever the truth is, I don’t think it would change anything. Hell we know Johnson set up the Tokien Gulf deal to escalate the war in Vietnam and all sorts of things like that, and no change in political behavior. As a Southern Nationalist, seems more of a yankee problem then my problem. Our problem being yankees

      • SFC Ton

        Have you not come across this document yet in your studies — “Israel did 911, all the proof in the world”

        How about Christopher Bollyn’s work?

        I would encourage you to have the kind of knowledge that you do regarding ‘blowing things up’, on the “WHO” rather than the “HOW”.

        Sincerely.

      • While I can appreciate your position Roy, I am a nuts and bolts sort of man, so the how is the key issue for me. As it would be in a criminal trial ( I think).

        As for jews, I already distrust and despise jewery. The are the enemy and hostile toward all I value. Don’t really need another reason to distrust etc them and what they do but thanks

      • Well I hope you spend your time with “Newbies” telling them of the “WHO” and less of the “HOW”. Otherwise……………….we will STILL be debating this 50 years from now.

        For the Love of Truth…………………….we are still debating JFK, when we know that the Jews had their hand in that affair as well.

        If you don’t name the Jew, your message isn’t True.

        Try this podcast — “Fourth Position” at Talk shoe. Think you would appreciate it.

      • I don’t go on about jews all that much. I am Southern, our primary enemy is yankees. Though the two often go hand in hand. Especially since the 1960’s or so

      • Yeah i got that the controlled detonation is what you argue against.

        But there are more things there than what you said (i don’t believe it all either).

        You said you don’t know what building 3 was and that it collapsed probably because of the shock, or the fire.

        But there are images there of the building imploding basically. Not to mention the debris that is showed. And if it were melted, then well it would look melted. Does this look melted to you? http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7-2.jpg

        And Other buildings around it weren’t fell down by the shockwave. and if it was the shockwave, then it would have been more side-ways, instead of straight down http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7_collapse.jpg

        I didn’t link that just for the engineers bit. I agree that 1700 isn’t that big of a number, but it says architects and engineers.

        And the foogas that you mentioned was an anti-tank weapon. I’m not sure, but i doubt it can totally melt a tank. I’m sure that it can disable it though. “Experiments with the flame fougasse continued and it rapidly evolved. The fuel mixture was at first 40% petrol and 60% gas-oil, a mixture calculated to be useless as a vehicle fuel. A concoction of tar, lime, and petrol gel known as 5B was also developed. “5B was dark coloured, sticky, smooth paste which burned fiercely for many minutes, stuck easily to anything with which it came in contact and did not flow on burning.” Not sure, but i think that it would burn at a higher temperature than kerosene. Also, from what i searched just now, open-air kerosene burns at 350 C or something like that. I doubt it’s enough to melt steel.

        And if the fires were so hot, why could people stand near the impact and not die? http://aneta.org/Facebook/23554_1401789839276_3753508_n.jpg

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-25_Empire_State_Building_crash

        It was a small bomber, only 21 meters when a 747 has 60 meters, but it still didn’t cause any structural damage or melting the steel beams. Probably not the best example, but the building did catch fire. Also, the core of the twin towers was steel surrounded by concrete. I doubt it would have burned so easily.

        Again, not so sure about the detonation theory either, but what else could there be since the 7th building also collapsed at the same time and i don’t think there’s any way for the twin towers to implode as they did just from an airplane and 350 c temperatures.

        At least if they fell to the side or something like that, but that didn’t happen.

      • Correct, I did not stick around to watch the tank complete burn, but it destroyed the tank. Other stuff starts catching on fire, adding to the heat, and a lot of every day materials burn incredibly hot.

      • Ok this is weird. i have to use a vpn to post here?

        Meh for some reason i can’t see my comment response getting posted and i lost what i wrote. Paladin if you are reading this could you check and see what happened?

        Yeah i got that the controlled detonation is what you argue against.

        But there are more things there than what you said (i don’t believe it all either).

        You said you don’t know what building 3 was and that it collapsed probably because of the shock, or the fire.

        But there are images there of the building imploding basically. Not to mention the debris that is showed. And if it were melted, then well it would look melted. Does this look melted to you? http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7-2.jpg

        And Other buildings around it weren’t fell down by the shockwave. and if it was the shockwave, then it would have been more side-ways, instead of straight down http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7_collapse.jpg

        I didn’t link that just for the engineers bit. I agree that 1700 isn’t that big of a number, but it says architects and engineers.

        And the foogas that you mentioned was an anti-tank weapon. I’m not sure, but i doubt it can totally melt a tank. I’m sure that it can disable it though. “Experiments with the flame fougasse continued and it rapidly evolved. The fuel mixture was at first 40% petrol and 60% gas-oil, a mixture calculated to be useless as a vehicle fuel. A concoction of tar, lime, and petrol gel known as 5B was also developed. “5B was dark coloured, sticky, smooth paste which burned fiercely for many minutes, stuck easily to anything with which it came in contact and did not flow on burning.” Not sure, but i think that it would burn at a higher temperature than kerosene. Also, from what i searched just now, open-air kerosene burns at 350 C or something like that. I doubt it’s enough to melt steel.

        Also, there were people standing outside the airplane crash which should mean that the temperatures weren’t high at all, the core was a steel one with concrete around it and there was a bomber that crashed into the empire state bulding and it caught on fire, but it didn’t compromise it’s internal structure. True, it was 21 meters compared to the 747 at 60 meters, but it is a bit telling.

        My problem with this is that they just imploded basically. I would be fine if they collapsed to the side, or just the top of them or something, but that’s not what happened.

      • Going to try one more time

        Meh for some reason i can’t see my comment response getting posted and i lost what i wrote. Paladin if you are reading this could you check and see what happened?

        Yeah i got that the controlled detonation is what you argue against.

        But there are more things there than what you said (i don’t believe it all either).

        You said you don’t know what building 3 was and that it collapsed probably because of the shock, or the fire.

        But there are images there of the building imploding basically. Not to mention the debris that is showed. And if it were melted, then well it would look melted. Does this look melted to you? http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7-2.jpg

        And Other buildings around it weren’t fell down by the shockwave. and if it was the shockwave, then it would have been more side-ways, instead of straight down http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7_collapse.jpg

        I didn’t link that just for the engineers bit. I agree that 1700 isn’t that big of a number, but it says architects and engineers.

        And the foogas that you mentioned was an anti-tank weapon. I’m not sure, but i doubt it can totally melt a tank. I’m sure that it can disable it though. “Experiments with the flame fougasse continued and it rapidly evolved. The fuel mixture was at first 40% petrol and 60% gas-oil, a mixture calculated to be useless as a vehicle fuel. A concoction of tar, lime, and petrol gel known as 5B was also developed. “5B was dark coloured, sticky, smooth paste which burned fiercely for many minutes, stuck easily to anything with which it came in contact and did not flow on burning.” Not sure, but i think that it would burn at a higher temperature than kerosene. Also, from what i searched just now, open-air kerosene burns at 350 C or something like that. I doubt it’s enough to melt steel.

        Also, there were people standing outside the airplane crash which should mean that the temperatures weren’t high at all, the core was a steel one with concrete around it and there was a bomber that crashed into the empire state bulding and it caught on fire, but it didn’t compromise it’s internal structure. True, it was 21 meters compared to the 747 at 60 meters, but it is a bit telling.

        My problem with this is that they just imploded basically. I would be fine if they collapsed to the side, or just the top of them or something, but that’s not what happened.

      • A good set of demo guys and engineers could have dropped one building into the other, creating a chain event. There is a term for it and everything. Though i cannot recall the term and not anything I have been trained to do/ have done, but best I can tell that would have been easier technically, logistically and man power wise then the implosion sort. Complex plans rarely work, and the sort controlled det folks are thinking of is a complex operation, made more so by keeping it all secret.

        I get folks doubt about doubting the official narrative, hell wise men should always doubt the official narrative, but given my back ground, I have doubt about the possibilities of a controlled det.

        Also having my own trouble posting, but I didn’t stick around to see that tank melt like a penny, but it was destroyed. One things get hot enough, other stuff catches on fire… paint, grease, rubbers fuel lines, oil lines, hydraulic lines, the various oils and fuels, all burning at incredibly high Temps.

        Ohhh and one thing I rarely see mentioned is jet fuel burn point. Which I don’t think is particularly very high, not as volatile as gasoline if I recall correctly, which, if true, would give more reasons to doubt the narrative

      • Shock waves? Since when does falling dust make shock waves? Since when do massive steel girders melt and steel reinforced concrete turn to powder beofre hitting the ground? Why Building 7, which just happened to also be leased by Larry Shekelstein? Why not any of dozens or even hundreds of nearby building? Not one collapsed. Check the footage of the tiny “fires” in building 7 which look a lot like someone has set fire to rubbish bins full of paper! Which is probably what these fires were, not enough to melt a teaspoon let alone steel girders! This building was full of confidential Govt papers which had to be destroyed. Such as about the missing $2 trillion “lost” by the US military which Cheney announce just one day earlier. The part of the Pentagon hit by a “friendly” missile also contained a lot of highly confidential information which the “elites” wanted destroyed. 911 was an inside job which finalized the takeover of the USA by the Jew. The USA is an occupied nation controlled by aliens with loyalty only to Israel.

        You are a troll who is opposed to every regular on this site.

  8. Meh for some reason i can’t see my comment response getting posted and i lost what i wrote. Paladin if you are reading this could you check and see what happened?

    Yeah i got that the controlled detonation is what you argue against.

    But there are more things there than what you said (i don’t believe it all either).

    You said you don’t know what building 3 was and that it collapsed probably because of the shock, or the fire.

    But there are images there of the building imploding basically. Not to mention the debris that is showed. And if it were melted, then well it would look melted. Does this look melted to you? http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7-2.jpg

    And Other buildings around it weren’t fell down by the shockwave. and if it was the shockwave, then it would have been more side-ways, instead of straight down http://rememberbuilding7.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wtc7_collapse.jpg

    I didn’t link that just for the engineers bit. I agree that 1700 isn’t that big of a number, but it says architects and engineers.

    And the foogas that you mentioned was an anti-tank weapon. I’m not sure, but i doubt it can totally melt a tank. I’m sure that it can disable it though. “Experiments with the flame fougasse continued and it rapidly evolved. The fuel mixture was at first 40% petrol and 60% gas-oil, a mixture calculated to be useless as a vehicle fuel. A concoction of tar, lime, and petrol gel known as 5B was also developed. “5B was dark coloured, sticky, smooth paste which burned fiercely for many minutes, stuck easily to anything with which it came in contact and did not flow on burning.” Not sure, but i think that it would burn at a higher temperature than kerosene. Also, from what i searched just now, open-air kerosene burns at 350 C or something like that. I doubt it’s enough to melt steel.

    Also, there were people standing outside the airplane crash which should mean that the temperatures weren’t high at all, the core was a steel one with concrete around it and there was a bomber that crashed into the empire state bulding and it caught on fire, but it didn’t compromise it’s internal structure. True, it was 21 meters compared to the 747 at 60 meters, but it is a bit telling.

    My problem with this is that they just imploded basically. I would be fine if they collapsed to the side, or just the top of them or something, but that’s not what happened.

      • Could you delete some of my replies that are redundant then please? Since i posted the same thing several times, not knowing why it didn’t post.

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