If Hillary Wins, then Secession is Our Only Choice


Kirkpatrick Sale, the author of this piece is touted as the theoretician leading the secessionist movement in America.

From what I have been able to determine, Sale is a hard-left Jew. Thus, it’s not clear to me that he can be trusted. Nonetheless, he is arguing in favor of secession. Unless secession gives Hillary the excuse to exterminate and/or imprison those pesky southern white people, then secession offers an alternative to the living nightmare of a Hillary presidency.

Lew Rockwell

Of all the phenomena the 2016 election year has demonstrated, none is greater than the proof that this nation is deeply and probably irretrievably split into two political camps with very, very little in common. It is more than blue states and red states, it goes deeper: it is the truth, jobs, security, and intelligence on one side and lies, coddling rich, porous borders, and stupidity on the other. And vice versa.

Perhaps the greatest evidence of this rift at this moment is to be found in Texas. A Public Policy Polling survey on August 16 found that 61 percent of the people who support Trump there have vowed that if Hillary Clinton is elected president they will push for Texas to secede from the union. Nothing less: secession.

And the interesting thing is that Texans have been thinking about secession for a number of years recently, and a Reuters poll in 2014 found that 36 percent of the population would be for secession and another 18 percent were not sure, making the anti-secession crowd a minority of 46 per cent. And if the anti-Clinton sentiment is real, her victory in November would likely solidify the secession movement further.

There are the usual cries against secession: it’s illegal, unconstitutional, and pointless, and it didn’t work the last time. But although there was a Supreme Court decision of shaky logic and narrow jurisdiction in 1869 that some have taken to have made secession illegal, there has never been any law passed by Congress against secession and indeed the one time such a law was proposed it was voted down. As to what the Founding Fathers thought, the fact that they had no trouble with three states explicitly stating they would join the Union with the provision that they could withdraw any time they wanted to suggests that originally secession was assumed to be a taken-for-granted right.

Columnist Pat Buchanan has suggested recently that if the anti-establishment passions behind the Trump and Sanders rebellions within the parties are not acknowledged and honored by the government that takes office in January there might indeed be a revolution in this land. That would seem to be an unnecessary extreme and one that might invite retaliation by the biggest military force in the world if it came to arms and armies.

Secession offers a much easier—and if everyone is sensible about it, peaceful—way for anti-establishment sentiments to be expressed. If you like the government in Washington, as Obama might say, you can keep it, but if you don’t you can bow out and start your own. No more fracturing than a divorce.

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Yes, it is true that once there was a war fought to stop secession, but that was because the richest part of the country was the one that voted to secede, and that would have meant a great loss of the duties and tariffs the rest of the country had come to depend on. So the threatened part had to go to war against the richest part to prevent that loss, with the full backing of the party of its industrialists, bankers, and railroadmen.

But those conditions no longer obtain. If Texas seceded it would not seriously endanger the wealth of the rest of the country, though there would need to be a resetting of certain trade and ownership relations. And it would be a wonderful trading partner—it would rank 12th in the world in total GDP and its GDP per capita would put it in the top 10, and 12 per cent higher than the remaining United States. Of course, its defense industry might be hit hard if the U.S. didn’t want to support it any longer, and Boeing, Lockheed Martin, Bell Helicopter and the rest might lose contracts, but an independent Texas would surely be happy to build up its own defenses and be an immediate replacement for lost work.

In addition, Texas has plenty of lands, natural resources, good weather, an excellent university system, and its own identity and culture, plus its opposition to regulations and such would make it a haven for many firms bristling against the current U.S. regulatory atmosphere. And since it would be probable that many anti-Clinton types elsewhere would want to move there, Texas could be very selective in allowing in the best and brightest.

I realize there might be a problem with the Dallas Cowboys, who would no longer be “America’s team,” if they ever were. But they could bill themselves as “the best in the nation,” an independent Texas nation, and that would be even better.

Here’s more on Sale from Wikipedia:

Sale has been described as “one of the intellectual godfathers of the secessionist movement.”[23] He argues that the major theme of contemporary history, from the dissolution of the Soviet Union to the expansion of United Nations membership from 51 in 1945 to 193 nations today, is the breakup of great empires. Some on both left and right call for smaller, less powerful government.[4]

In 2004, Sale and members of the Second Vermont Republic formed the Middlebury Institute which is dedicated to the study of separatism, secession, and self-determination. Sale is director of the institute. In 2006, Middlebury sponsored the First North American Secessionist Convention, which attracted 40 participants from 16 secessionist organizations and was described as the first gathering of secessionists since the American Civil War. Delegates issued a statement of principles of secession which they presented as the Burlington Declaration.[24]

In October 2007, the New York Times interviewed Sale about the Second North American Secessionist Convention, co-hosted by the Middlebury Institute. Sale told the interviewer, “The virtue of small government is that the mistakes are small as well.” He went on to say, “If you want to leave a nation you think is corrupt, inefficient, militaristic, oppressive, repressive, but you don’t want to move to Canada or France, what do you do? Well, the way is through secession, where you could stay home and be where you want to be.”[4][25] The convention received worldwide media attention.[26][27][28]

News stories about the Second North American Secessionist Convention in 2007 mentioned the controversial Southern Poverty Law Center’s allegations that the other co-sponsor, The League of the South, was a “racist hate group.” Sale responded, “They call everybody racists. There are, no doubt, racists in the League of the South, and there are, no doubt, racists everywhere.”[26][27] The Southern Poverty Law Center later criticized the New York Times’ October 2007 Peter Applebombe interview of Sale for not covering its allegations.[29]
Sale wrote the foreword to Thomas Naylor’s 2008 book Secession: How Vermont and all the Other States Can Save Themselves from the Empire.[30] Sale, Thomas Naylor and four others issued “The Montpelier Manifesto” in September, 2012.[31]

Sale’s willingness to accept the racist label and involve the League of the South says something positive about him.

4 thoughts on “If Hillary Wins, then Secession is Our Only Choice

  1. Been saying that Secession was the only viable political way for states to retain their rights for years now. Either the states eventually give up all power they have over themselves or they secede it’s pretty much that simple.Unfortunately by the time enough people realize it I think it will be too late.

    • Even now, to a large degree, the states are just administrative units within the federal government. State sovereignty is mythology since the Civil War. Which raises the question of how secession plays out peacefully this time.

  2. Seccesion is probably going to be the best way forward, but I’m a little leery about it because I have a sneaking suspicion that the system is up to something when you see it promoted relatively mainstream. The NWF has been promoting it for years and others even before that. If it does happen Whites better make sure they get their piece of the pie or we’ll be doubly screwed.

  3. We can be sure Texas will always threaten to cut and run when times get tough until it becomes a non-White majority, which is coming soon. It’s nothing but blowing smoke, folks, most Whites are cowards. Regardless, the U.S. government will never allow states to secede, whoever is president. It’s economics, period. If a state or states try, it’s automatic war!

    Progressive Sales has been writing for liberal rags like Mother Jones most of his adult life. To be fair, he has written a little for conservative rags.

    The radical League of the South is a traitor to all Whites who are not Southern born Celts – Scotts, Irish, Welsh mix – (League’s website). No others allowed! Not even Northern English from any state whose ancestors founded the country! From the mouths of active, paying members, they’ll “get Europeans from Europe to fill in all those empty spots created by deported non-Whites into the North!” No non-Southern U.S. citizens for them, even if they are Celts!

    Their hatred for Northerners, not just above the Mason-Dixon Line, but all non-Southern states, is so deep; so palpable, they would rather import Europeans than Whites from Northern U.S. states. So much hatred for Whites who had no involvement in the Civil War, many with no ancestors even here at that time, none wrote books or articles about “rednecks” and “hillbillies,’ produced no movies, TV documentaries, never called Southerners “dumb,” have never been to the South, and aren’t liberal!!

    From the League’s president:

    I blurted out: “Mama, why does she talk like that?”

    “On our trip home, I asked my Mama the question again. Her terse reply is with me still: “She’s a yankee. They all talk like that.” My next question, naturally, had to do with why her and her kind were down here? I let the matter drop there until my Daddy got home from work. Then I asked him about yankees. He let it be known pretty quickly that he thought the wrong side had won The War, and that he had no use for “those people.” He (my daddy) didn’t care much for showing hospitality to people transplanted in north Alabama from Ohio. I learned a lot from him.”

    “So by the time I was eight or nine, I already knew there was an “us” and a “them.” Much of this was reinforced by my Daddy at every opportunity.”

    He went on to say he learned all about brave Confederate generals in school. I learned about both Union and Confederate generals, neither heralded more than the other for bravery.


    While I understand the League president’s love for the South, he was taught from the very impressionable age of 6 to hate Northerners by his parents and possibly taught bias in his school. He had been brainwashed they were all bad, yet he had no negative experiences being around them.

    League land-grabbers think they can TAKE 19 states including California!!!!!, just like that, for “ONLY Southern Celts to preserve Southern culture,” as if we wouldn’t notice! Whites are in a crisis, and these traitors are only concerned about preserving THEIR culture. Yeah, sure, the U.S. government is going to let that happen!

    I’d be vehemently against, say, for example, Northeasterners forming an organization for Germans, English, Irish, and Italians, because only they can create the Northeastern culture. Oh, and by the way, they will be taking Ohio and Illinois, maybe Maryland and Virginia because some maps are now placing those states in the North. Hey, League of the South…California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Florida do not have Southern cultures! What’s to preserve?

    The League gets much of the positive internet press, “Yippy, yippy yay, the League will save us!” The negative from the MSM and so-called civil rights organizations, regretfully, I must say is more on target for this group, resulting in labeling all White Southerners as ‘racist,’ a reflection on all Whites. When promoting itself, the League never divulges its true intentions. It’s this prejudice, hatefulness from the president and members about Whites outside Southern states, and gall to even consider taking 19 states for ONE ethnicity is why they aren’t worth the time to write this!

    Best bet is to look out for ourselves. Move to another country. There are a few that will be better than living here if Hillary wins. Better yet, help Donald Trump win!

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